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  Persecution Wanes/Banning Blood Garners Publicity

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sheer madness --- perpetuated by two madmen who prevailed over the judge [almost].

  "after the judge's death, as world war ii was ending and persecution against the witnesses began declining, along with the attendant drop in news-media publicity, hayden c. covington told the author [of the four presidents] that fred franz saw the prohibition against blood transfusions as a way to accomplish two things: to continue to publicize the religion, and to create an uproar in the community.

  this reaction would convince the membership they were being "persecuted" and "suffering for righteousness sake," a sure sign they were "in the truth.".

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  Women are in subjection to their husbands and to the Elders!!!!!

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the february 15th watchtower 2007, is spectacularly nauseating!!!

  at least i found it so.. i would welcome the opinion of all on the board to this sentiment on page 19, paragraph 8 and9:.

  'although subjection can be challenging, women can welcome it as honorable, even as did jesus.

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  Dear Blondie,

  Thank you for your reply. I have a better view of all the forces in play now. All JW women are not alike and some JW men have allowed circumstances to get out of control through their own inaction. Wisdom born of pain. I appreciate your contribution.

  CoCo
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  Women are in subjection to their husbands and to the Elders!!!!!

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the february 15th watchtower 2007, is spectacularly nauseating!!!

  at least i found it so.. i would welcome the opinion of all on the board to this sentiment on page 19, paragraph 8 and9:.

  'although subjection can be challenging, women can welcome it as honorable, even as did jesus.

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  Dear Blondie,

  You have mentioned before that certain matters could be "regional" and that you personally are not witness to them. When you declared that elder interference in JW marriages is something that "I don't see," and that your husband says that elders are too busy with other matters to interfere, I am certain, therefore, that an anomaly must be in place here. We have a most unusual situation in these parts, where elders have been actively involved in pitting "theocratic" wives against husbands such Gill's. Husbands have been told by their wives that, should there arise a conflict as to the better course to pursue within the family arrangement, the viewpoint of the elders will be chosen over that of the "spiritually weak" husband. Elders routinely have questioned wives on their husband's thoughts, activities, etc. An oft-used phrase here is "the back-door approach." If you have ever had privileges taken away for no apparent reason, then learnt later from another elder whom you trust implicitly that the removal of said privileges was due to unfavorable testimony wheedled from your wife [or willingly provided], you would conclude that the elders have over-stepped their bounds. I am grateful that this has not been your personal experience. I personally am acquainted with many an angry JW or XJW male who would say ditto to all the above. I hope that this has allowed you a more expansive view of the war zone I once inhabited.

  CoCo
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  Toasting is wrong because.........

  by Gill in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so why, according to the feb 15th watchtower is toasting wrong?.

  apparantly:.

  'toasting today may not be viewed by many as a religious gesture.

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  So, someone high and mighty is telling me I have to throw out my new toaster oven! I'm with you Warlock. I'm burnt up over this! I remember how upset Roseanna Roseanna Danna was over violins in the schools - kids getting hurt in the orchestra pit. Am I off bass here? I wish the Society could be a little more specififec here when directing my every movement.

  CoCo
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  QUESTIONS FROM READERS----CHECK THIS OUT!

  by Mary in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  seeing as i have the wt in front of me today, i thought you'd enjoy the questions from readers from the february 15, 2007 article on the evils and pagan origins on toasting or clinking of glasses.

  the article specifically mentions how not everything today that was of pagan origin is necessarily bad, and sites "wedding rings" as being of pagan origin, but it's not viewed like that now.

  then, incredibly, they go on and say that while toasting might not be considered a religious practice today, there's "good reason" for christians to avoid it------without giving any valid reason why other than: do as we say:.

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  Yes, BrEnt!

  A kinder, kosher klinker kares konsiderably if kontained in konfines of kaput kosher kitchens. All alliteration applies after application of answerable allegations are assured.

  Compound-Complex Continues Cerebrally-Challenged
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  To active or questioning JWs: Are you rational?

  by Confession in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of us whove discovered the truth about the watchtower society, it is never surprising when a person who devotes him or herself to an examination of all the pertinent information soon sees theyve been misled.

  of course this can only be true for those who, as was the case with me, believe that the watchtower society represents the sole channel of communication from god for rational reasons.

  if you are among those who hold this belief for primarily emotional reasons, it is possible that nothingno matter how convincingwill allow you to use your mind on this subject.

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  Good Show, Arthur!

  It was all in sport and jolly good fun! To paraphrase the inimitable P.G.W., 'If you can't show some appreciation for the unremitting kindness I've shown you, I'll kick your spine through your hat!'

  Cheerio!

  CoCo
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  What will they do when the blood ban has no meaning ?

  by A Paduan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  people will invent ways of making blood, eventually, no doubt.

  they will probably have synthetic substitutes for the short term and be able to grow or clone it off our own dna or something before too long.

  so what will the org do for martyrs and publicity then ?

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  Dear A Paduan,

  Given the importance you and others have ascribed to this all-important issue, I feel the need to repeat what I have learned only this evening:

  ''WHEN FACED WITH MOUNTING OPPOSITION, FRED FRANZ EASED THE SOCIETY'S POSITION ON BLOOD..."

  "Years later, in the June 15, 1978 WATCHTOWER, the "ORACLE" DECIDED THE PRESSURE WAS GETTING TOO SEVERE..."

  The above declarations reference the Society's receiving opposition to certain aspects of the use of blood - in life-saving serums, fertilizers, etc. - AND strictures formerly imposed upon hemophiliacs.

  This was before the internet and the wide-spread publicity that surrounds the horrors of this deadly policy. What tangible opposition and pressure moved the otherwise intractable FWF to relent?

  THE FOUR PRESIDENTS, E.C. Gruss, Ed., p. 77

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  To active or questioning JWs: Are you rational?

  by Confession in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of us whove discovered the truth about the watchtower society, it is never surprising when a person who devotes him or herself to an examination of all the pertinent information soon sees theyve been misled.

  of course this can only be true for those who, as was the case with me, believe that the watchtower society represents the sole channel of communication from god for rational reasons.

  if you are among those who hold this belief for primarily emotional reasons, it is possible that nothingno matter how convincingwill allow you to use your mind on this subject.

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  Greetings Arthur,

  At an earlier date, Confession invited my return vis-a-vis my on-going encounters with THE BURNING BUSH. He claimed it would be an enlivening factor. His post was not posted upon, whereupon I posted posthaste. In October you implied I imbibed when you noted my waxing eloquent upon a ditty of the winged creature. I do not claim the felicity of speech of our fellow Briton, P.G. Wodehouse, but I do find him to be most drole. Your inquiry at that time into my level of saturation lead me to pen a poem on the joys of abstinence. It is in the archives awaiting retrieval. I assure you, I neither drink nor sniff.

  CoCo
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  Persecution Wanes/Banning Blood Garners Publicity

  by compound complex in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sheer madness --- perpetuated by two madmen who prevailed over the judge [almost].

  "after the judge's death, as world war ii was ending and persecution against the witnesses began declining, along with the attendant drop in news-media publicity, hayden c. covington told the author [of the four presidents] that fred franz saw the prohibition against blood transfusions as a way to accomplish two things: to continue to publicize the religion, and to create an uproar in the community.

  this reaction would convince the membership they were being "persecuted" and "suffering for righteousness sake," a sure sign they were "in the truth.".

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  Greetings Rabbit,

  I too was speechless! There's more, always more:

  "When faced with mounting opposition, Fred Franz eased the Society's position on blood regarding the following: (1) Serum injections such as diphtheria toxin antitoxin and gamma globulin blood fractions were permitted. (2) There was no need to drain blood from fish (except when "a person sees an accumulation of blood"), only land animals. (3) While a Witness could not personally use fertilizer using blood, he could use it when employed by a non-witness. This and similar situations were made matters of conscience. (4) Over the years, the Watch Tower Society had taken the position of prohibiting the use of blood fractions in the treatment of hemophiliacs. But long before officially leaving this stringent position, if one were to call the headquarters they would be told that such treatment was permissible. Years later, in the June 15, 1978 WATCHTOWER, the "oracle" decided the pressure was getting too severe, so he withdrew his position altogether, and permitted both hemophiliac preparations Factor VIII and IX. How many hemophiliacs died in the interim, further sacrifices on the altar of man-made Watch Tower dogma?"

  THE FOUR PRESIDENTS, E. C. Gruss, Ed. p. 77

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  To active or questioning JWs: Are you rational?

  by Confession in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those of us whove discovered the truth about the watchtower society, it is never surprising when a person who devotes him or herself to an examination of all the pertinent information soon sees theyve been misled.

  of course this can only be true for those who, as was the case with me, believe that the watchtower society represents the sole channel of communication from god for rational reasons.

  if you are among those who hold this belief for primarily emotional reasons, it is possible that nothingno matter how convincingwill allow you to use your mind on this subject.

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  compound complex

  I consider myself totally rational, as a member of an OT faith under the guise of Christianity. Whenever I remove my sandals, I find myself - at that very moment - upon hallowed ground, whereupon I enter into meaningful dialogue with THE BURNING BUSH. Upon renewed spiritual enlightenment and corporeal revivification, I return to the realm of my lowly brethren to solidify them in the most holy faith.

  You did say I could return. I thought, mayhaps, you might be lonely. For me, religion is totally a rational matter, and I refuse to allow emotion and sensationalism to cloud my clear judgment.

  Would you like a free consultation?

  CooCoo